Peopleperhour – the good, bad and the ugly – getting the best from the ‘ebay for projects’
19th September, 2009 by Alick
peopleperhour.com is a kind of ‘ebay for projects’. Potential customers post projects they need doing and then interested suppliers will bid on them.
How we use it
I’ve been a user of peopleperhour.com (PPH) pretty much since it launched. I tend not to bid for much on it, but I do like keeping an eye on the sort of projects that get requested through it. It’s a great way of staying abreast of what sort of solutions businesses are after.
I also use it for sourcing freelancers for one off projects which require skills we don’t have within our full-time and part-time staff – but I limit that to marketing or copy related requirements. That’s not to say I wouldn’t source design and development through it, but I think to do so ups the level of risk to a project.
While I’ve only ever won a couple of projects through PPH, the contacts I’ve made through the network have generated quite a bit of business in the past. Our two biggest development projects in 2008 came from people who’d found my PPH profile in Google and then gone on to Google my name.
Although PPH aims to limit suppliers providing contact details to providers in advance of a deal being made I think in reality it does (or at least has done in the past) quite a poor job of monitoring this – probably because to clamp down on this is a really hard issue to find a scalable solution to. When they are unable to do this, it creates an unfair playground. I always try and bid by the rules, but I’m often up against others who don’t, and if they slip through the net then this can be in their favour. Thus, I’m quite lucky that there is, as far as I know, only one Alick Mighall (practice singing this as a football chant…) and thus, for those who Google my name, they’ll tend to find both me and my business anyway.
Recently, I’ve had some useful wins with PPH – in that I’ve picked up some good work and found some useful freelancers – so I’ll continue to use the site.
Too many poorly conceived projects and low quality providers
So, what’s the bad and the ugly? Well, its two worst points are probably not PPH’s doing as such – even it does create the environment in which this happens, and those are a) a lot of poorly conceived projects, and based on the number of bids that many of these projects get, b) too many providers bidding at prices, at which I believe, it’s not possible to do a good quality job.
On the projects front, I think the team at PPH have done a better job at filtering out the really stupid requests. It’s a while, for example, since I’ve seen projects like ‘e-bay clone required – budget, less than £250′. However, I do still see a lot of projects, in which the brief details a project which surely can’t be done within time the quoted budget allows. What’s this down to? Project owners knowing that there are people out there who’ll code for food? Or who realise it’s a buyer’s market? Or is it just a fundamental misunderstanding of what kind of time a quality job might take? I think its often the last point. Price competition can be a good thing, I’ve no issue with that. My beef is really about the time it takes to do a good job.
This project here – for a business directory – is a good example. Basically, the client is looking for a business directory to be built, similar to a competitive example, which is quoted, which will have a CMS, so that they can add their own listings, ad serving, so they can monetise it, some static pages and the directory needs to be searchable. Oh, and it needs to be delivered ASAP! The budget is less than £250.
Ok, so lets take PPH’s commission out of that, and that leaves us with £225 which we’ll then divide by the minimum wage in the UK – a rate of pay you’d usually associated with unskilled labour – about £5.75. That gives 39 hours to deliver the project, assuming that there are no costs such as hosting, domain purchase etc. That 39 hours has got to cover the development from end to end, starting with clarifying the client’s ‘brief’ – defining some kind of spec from that and then nailing down in writing what exactly will be delivered, to designing, coding, getting sign off, testing and bug fixing. Why would any developer worth their salt bid on that? Well, as it goes, 20 have. And there are still 11 days left until the bids close.
For all PPH’s good points, I don’t see how having projects like this, or a network of providers prepared to bid at such rates can be in anyway a positive thing for the network, or for the wider industry as a whole. Fair enough – PPH is a network that allows project owners to circumnavigate bloated agency fees. It also allows project owners to consider quotes from providers who are based outside of the UK and thus are able to do things more cost effectively. Both these are good points. But if that’s at the expense of creating a perception where actually web development is easily done, for peanuts, or in an unfeasibly short amount of time, then that’s a bad thing. Buying an online service is like buying any other. You still get what you pay for. But I think many people think this just doesn’t apply to online.
I’d be interested in thoughts on this. I’d be even more interested in seeing similar examples of what a £250 solution looks like to a project briefed similar to the one I’ve quoted.
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September 23rd, 2009 at 4:15 pm
Ive been a user of PPH for quite some time now providing freelance graphic/web design.
There are so many projects that people/companies want doing for silly amounts of money, (for instance you ebay clone comment) yet there still seems to be 20+ people claiming they can do this. I find my self bidding for these kind of projects and kindly pointing out to them that if someone has claimed they can do this project at your requested price then they are either a con artist or very very desperate/bored and probably won’t spend the time required to build a great site. Buyers should spend a bit more time researching pricings and even spend 2 minutes looking through freelancers portfolio’s to make sure they can actually carry out the required task at hand!
but all in all it is a very well thought out site, and the work I have got has been great to do and working with some really nice people.
November 8th, 2009 at 8:54 am
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November 9th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
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May 15th, 2010 at 8:20 am
Hi, I’ve just signd up to People Per Hour as I’m testing the water of becoming a freelancer from fulltime employment (haven’t actually left my job yet though). From what can see so far there is a large number of job posted which are opting for the low ‘less than £250′ which I find quite appaling, as you say. But on the otherhand due to the way the site is geared towards freelancers; which with respect to you tell them if you just want a bit of extra cash as you’re already in fulltime eployment. An extra £225 in your pocket at the end of month is enough for the tax man to overlook. I wonder if that’s what makes freelancers bid on these type of jobs?
I have, alhough through personal recommendation rather than a bidding site, just completed a website for a total cost of £208, you can see it here: http://www.sandbachfairtrade.co.uk I think this helps with your query about a what a £250 job looks like. As you can see, the budget has a definative affect on design and build complexity – it’s static html and very basic design. The job was split over: hosting and domain set up costs, 2hrs to design it in photoshop/illustrator, 5hrs to buid, 1hr to test. This isn’t the full breakdown of the costs and what for, but I bascially worked to an hourly rate of £12ph.
The obvious thing to say from my experience of working freelance whilst in fulltime employment, don’t get greedy if you don’t want the tax man turning up on your door. But if working freelance is your main bread and butter, then never undersell yourself and earn decent money from your hard work. Not having a studio full of other designers/developers and still producing good quality work should be rewarding just on it’s own.
Nice site the way!
May 15th, 2010 at 8:39 am
Thanks for the comment Melissa. I think what you’ve done for Sandbach, at the price, is a good job and shows that you can deliver something that a client will be happy with for a smaller budget, especially if you’re working in the way you say.
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July 16th, 2010 at 5:05 pm
They run a poorly written script and have outstanding issues dating back weeks. Freelancers and Job Posters alike find it’s navigation awkward and its a bit strange to suggest it looks good. The most obvious criticism from those using it are the bugs. Sometimes it saves your job posting or quotation for work and sometimes it doesn’t and if you forget to save it to the clipboard its no good hitting the back key, your work is lost.
A very depressing site that needs some hard work to put into it – and money too. Surprising really, you would have thought they would know where to get the resources wouldn’t you?
July 16th, 2010 at 7:33 pm
You would John wouldn’t you? I’ve not used the site much in the last few months – but what you describe sounds like a classic case of a lack maintenance/investment – so maybe all is not well. Like I said in my original post – it’s too easy for people to complete the transaction off network – which has got to cost them a lot of revenue.
July 17th, 2010 at 1:56 am
I’ve just browsed through the site for the first time and have a newbie question:
One project asks the bidder to attach their CV to the bid, and given that the name of the company isn’t provided, and possible identity fraud/personal data usage concerns, is this standard practice?
I’m curious because I suppose in the ‘real’ world, someone would email their CV directly to a company or a recruitment agency, and so would theoretically be aware of who might be handling their information.
July 17th, 2010 at 6:40 am
I guess I can see why some companies might want you to submit a CV. And obviously, PPH rules state that company can’t identify themselves. You’re right to be conscious of possible data-fraud issues – but, remember, you could do an abridged version of your CV to send which just outlines your experience and which doesn’t have any other personally identifiable information.